Comments on: “I’m not transphobic, but…” http://burningwords.net/2008/03/25/im-not-transphobic-but/ perspectives on stuff from an angry feminist Sun, 13 Sep 2009 05:46:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5-RC2 By: drakyn http://burningwords.net/2008/03/25/im-not-transphobic-but/#comment-1151 drakyn Thu, 26 Jun 2008 18:21:56 +0000 http://burningwords.net/2008/03/25/im-not-transphobic-but/#comment-1151 FYI, Amananta has taken down the post you're refering to, but it can still be <a href="http://amananta.wordpress.com/2006/05/15/radical-feminism-and-the-transgendered/" rel="nofollow">found</a> through the wayback machine. FYI, Amananta has taken down the post you’re refering to, but it can still be found through the wayback machine.

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By: Zoe Brain http://burningwords.net/2008/03/25/im-not-transphobic-but/#comment-647 Zoe Brain Mon, 07 Apr 2008 06:23:23 +0000 http://burningwords.net/2008/03/25/im-not-transphobic-but/#comment-647 Brava! Post Bookmarked. I should visit here more often. Brava! Post Bookmarked.
I should visit here more often.

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By: Drakyn http://burningwords.net/2008/03/25/im-not-transphobic-but/#comment-623 Drakyn Sat, 05 Apr 2008 19:33:26 +0000 http://burningwords.net/2008/03/25/im-not-transphobic-but/#comment-623 This is awesome! I've never liked Amaranta's post and I could never really get down the right words... This is awesome! I’ve never liked Amaranta’s post and I could never really get down the right words…

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By: Rebecca http://burningwords.net/2008/03/25/im-not-transphobic-but/#comment-620 Rebecca Sat, 05 Apr 2008 12:37:44 +0000 http://burningwords.net/2008/03/25/im-not-transphobic-but/#comment-620 Thanks, nix! I often don't bother with the transphobic radfem types, because so many of them are fuelled by sheer hate, and well, when that's the case I'd rather go watch Emily take the piss than waste my own energy on trying to engage them. Still, with some of these people who are more based out of ignorance, I do try to take apart their stuff for the benefit of those who might be in a similar position. Thanks, nix!

I often don’t bother with the transphobic radfem types, because so many of them are fuelled by sheer hate, and well, when that’s the case I’d rather go watch Emily take the piss than waste my own energy on trying to engage them. Still, with some of these people who are more based out of ignorance, I do try to take apart their stuff for the benefit of those who might be in a similar position.

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By: nix http://burningwords.net/2008/03/25/im-not-transphobic-but/#comment-617 nix Sat, 05 Apr 2008 11:56:18 +0000 http://burningwords.net/2008/03/25/im-not-transphobic-but/#comment-617 thanks for this post. it's good to see these 'arguments' taken apart systematically, and their assumptions and logical . . . problems . . . exposed. i'm glad that people like you and lisa harney have the energy to provide such critiques, because i get about two paragraphs in and end up wanting to bash my head against the wall to relieve the pain. thanks for this post. it’s good to see these ‘arguments’ taken apart systematically, and their assumptions and logical . . . problems . . . exposed. i’m glad that people like you and lisa harney have the energy to provide such critiques, because i get about two paragraphs in and end up wanting to bash my head against the wall to relieve the pain.

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By: Burning Words » Blog Archive » Best. Response. Ever. http://burningwords.net/2008/03/25/im-not-transphobic-but/#comment-587 Burning Words » Blog Archive » Best. Response. Ever. Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:22:45 +0000 http://burningwords.net/2008/03/25/im-not-transphobic-but/#comment-587 [...] there’s better places to put that energy. Sometimes the particular bollocks being spouted deserves refuting, when it’s genuinely ignorant, but with the sort of blind hatred these people spout? [...] […] there’s better places to put that energy. Sometimes the particular bollocks being spouted deserves refuting, when it’s genuinely ignorant, but with the sort of blind hatred these people spout? […]

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By: Rebecca http://burningwords.net/2008/03/25/im-not-transphobic-but/#comment-487 Rebecca Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:57:50 +0000 http://burningwords.net/2008/03/25/im-not-transphobic-but/#comment-487 zander: The person I was referring to above was a post-op transman. He was evidently allowed into the festival just fine. belledame: She has - she mentioned it briefly in that post. I guess it's kind of a case of "well, *this* one is okay [because she has a human face]...but all the rest...they're still Other". Pretty odd, though. zander: The person I was referring to above was a post-op transman. He was evidently allowed into the festival just fine.

belledame: She has - she mentioned it briefly in that post. I guess it’s kind of a case of “well, *this* one is okay [because she has a human face]…but all the rest…they’re still Other”. Pretty odd, though.

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By: belledame222 http://burningwords.net/2008/03/25/im-not-transphobic-but/#comment-483 belledame222 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 21:35:54 +0000 http://burningwords.net/2008/03/25/im-not-transphobic-but/#comment-483 The funny thing is, I'm fairly certain she has, or had, a partner who's a trans woman... The funny thing is, I’m fairly certain she has, or had, a partner who’s a trans woman…

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By: zander http://burningwords.net/2008/03/25/im-not-transphobic-but/#comment-479 zander Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:28:12 +0000 http://burningwords.net/2008/03/25/im-not-transphobic-but/#comment-479 Hi Rebecca, While I appreciate your comments and critiques, I want to disagree with your statement that transmen are WBW and therefore allowed entry into MichFest. Transmen are men assigned female at birth. Transmen who have changed their identity documents from F to M are no more welcome at MichFest than you are. There are genderqueer people assigned female at birth who still attend MichFest, but they are not transmen. They are female-bodied masculine or androgynous people who retain their F status on their identity documents. Since many transmen spent 10, 20, 30+ years in the lesbian community prior to transitioning, we are fully aware of the WBW policy at MichFest and would not challenge that policy, because we know how important woman-only space is. As a transman with an M on ALL of my identity documents and a face full of hair, I would not be let past the front gate of MichFest. I find the WBW policy discriminatory towards transwomen and hope that they change it in the near future. And know that transmen are not turning their backs on transwomen. The people that appear to be transmen at MichFest are most likely not transmen at all, but genderqueer identified folks and/or really butch dykes and/or young bois/boyz (not transmen either, but boyish lesbians) and others. The FTM community contains a multitude of identies, not just one (transman). There are dozens of different identities and transman is just one of them. Zander Hi Rebecca,

While I appreciate your comments and critiques, I want to disagree with your statement that transmen are WBW and therefore allowed entry into MichFest. Transmen are men assigned female at birth. Transmen who have changed their identity documents from F to M are no more welcome at MichFest than you are.

There are genderqueer people assigned female at birth who still attend MichFest, but they are not transmen. They are female-bodied masculine or androgynous people who retain their F status on their identity documents.

Since many transmen spent 10, 20, 30+ years in the lesbian community prior to transitioning, we are fully aware of the WBW policy at MichFest and would not challenge that policy, because we know how important woman-only space is. As a transman with an M on ALL of my identity documents and a face full of hair, I would not be let past the front gate of MichFest.

I find the WBW policy discriminatory towards transwomen and hope that they change it in the near future. And know that transmen are not turning their backs on transwomen. The people that appear to be transmen at MichFest are most likely not transmen at all, but genderqueer identified folks and/or really butch dykes and/or young bois/boyz (not transmen either, but boyish lesbians) and others.

The FTM community contains a multitude of identies, not just one (transman). There are dozens of different identities and transman is just one of them.

Zander

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